Still reviewing ...
I've worn them a couple of times, and while I thought the lack of a more defined "pouch" would bother me, I realised at the end of a long work day that I had not felt uncomfortable like I've had with other products. No riding, though maybe sits a little high (either that, or I've become a grandpa!).
Verdict still out ... for now.
Rated 4 out of 5
Rated 3 out of 5
Rated 1 on a scale of minus 2 to 2, where minus 2 is Runs small, 0 is True to size and 2 is Runs big